From the Mormon Hatemail Bag….

Our new friend, Lauren, has a few words for YOU and me, Trappees. She reacted as many do, and to be honest, I GET the reaction. I do it myself. It’s human nature. But it serves me–and probably would help Lauren a lot–if she backed down, considered her words, did a little research and THEN commented. Then you don’t have to post a spate of comments like THIS, and look like a complete and total hot-headed moron. Oh, but hey, LAUREN, I finally noticed you. I fully own up to waiting a week before I acknowledged you, though. It tickled my funny bone.

Name: Lauren |
Why is it so important to all of you to tear down and stomp on this religion? I have never seen this website until today and after looking through quite a few of the comments on here, both by the creator of this site and by visitors to it, I am curious as to WHY you spew so much hate and venom at this one particular religion? What satisfaction do you receive from being so ugly with your words? Maybe I am mistaken and you all hate other religions too?

Name: Lauren |

Why is it so important to all of you to tear down and stomp on this religion? I have never seen this website until today and after looking through quite a few of the comments on here, both by the creator of this site and by visitors to it, I am curious as to WHY you spew so much hate and venom at this one particular religion? What satisfaction do you receive from being so ugly with your words? Maybe I am mistaken and you all hate other religions too?

Name: Lauren |

It seems clear to me that “Victim Syndrome” runs rampant on this site. “Oh poor me! Those damn Mormons. They’re ruining my life. Whaaaa!” Would you like me to call the Whaaambulance for you?

This crap is no more justifiable than the Aryan Nations or the KKK. It’s founded in hate and intolerance. If all of you are soooo bothered by the Mormons, THEN DON’T BE AROUND THEM!!! If you can’t stand living in a “Mormon” community, THEN MOVE AWAY! To live in a place where you are outnumbered by another culture, and cry and bitch and whine about them is an attention getting measure. It’s stupid and immature.

The fact of the matter is that there are deviants in all religions, just as there are people in all religions who believe that their’s is true. That’s life. Ever heard of religious freedom?

Move on.

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In a previous post you(Natalie) said,” The angry Mormons who disagree with me RARELY, if ever, address the actual comments or questions or theological concerns I have. ” Would you care to enlighten me as to what your questions and theological concerns are? I am asking you with sincerity because I would truly like to know. It interests me that you do what you do.

(Yes, I realize that my comment has little to do with this particular blog posting. I just would like to be noticed and I figured that putting my question here would do that…. and I am not very good at being patient. I am that kid who wiggles and squirms and waves my hand at the teacher saying, “Oo! Pick me, pick me!”)

Now, I might have considered ANSWERING Lauren’s last question, but after the whole “WHAMBULANCE” comment, I realized she must be about twelve, and really, what’s the point? Even 12-year-olds aren’t gonna be laughing at THAT joke. I think she read it on one of those Laffy Taffy wrappers. Or heard it on Sesame Street.

She calls ME stupid and immature, and precedes it with the WHAMBULANCE?! Your sincerity, Lauren, is drowned out by the wail of the WHAMBULANCE. Sorry, I can’t hear you over the noise.

Then we have Fred. Or as he wrote it, fred.

Name: fred |

I”M a Mormon to and i love it i was shocked when reading this i never knew he was suffering from cancer if you don’t mind list what kind and maybe try going to the chapel (church building) and go to sacrament

Fred, suffering from terminal loss of punctuation, is either a) 12-years-old and Lauren’s classmate or b) foreign speaking. Since he didn’t even know his own leader had cancer, I’m choosing to ignore his advice. Plus I’ve already been there, done that, got the CTR ring and moved on.

And then we have our VERY GOOD FRIEND Anonymous, who hangs around a LOT. This particular incarnation of Anonymous appears, based on the email address, to be a young female.

Name: Anonymous |

Why is it you think that ones religion has EVERYTHING to do with how they act? Does a persons upbringing have no say? and if that’s the case, then what religion do you belong to that says mormons are bad? Because no matter what religion you look at, they’re all going to have a few crazies in them. and if you’re so sick of the mormons, move out of Utah.

Where did I say that, A? And where did I say Mormons are bad? Furthermore, I totally agree with you. All religions have a few crazies in them, and there are aspects of ALL religions that appeal to the disturbed mind. However, I live in Utah, and I deal with Mormons, and I live in and around Mormons, and so that is what I write about. And the old “if you don’t like it leave?” statement is UTTER bullshit. If you don’t like what I have to say, YOU leave. No one made you come here and read this blog. And I’ll live Utah when and if I’m ready, on my own terms. I was born here, and I’ve raised my children here. And only by speaking up do things change, and I will CONTINUE to speak up. Surely you are aware what happens when people try to create a “perfect” society by getting rid of everyone who doesn’t believe like they do. Surely you’ve seen examples of what happens when you try to cull out all those you deem “unseemly” or “different.” Perhaps you missed that episode of The Simpsons. Well, I didn’t and I can tell you, it ain’t good, my friend, Anon.

My purpose here, is to keep you on your toes. You’re welcome.

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About Natalie R. Collins

Natalie has more than 30 years writing, editing, proofreading and design experience. She has written 20 books (and counting), has worked for the Sundance Film Festival, and as an investigative journalist, editor, and proofreader. She embraces her gypsy-heart and is following her new free-thinking journey through life. Follow her as she starts over and learns a bunch of life's lessons--some the hard way.
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19 Responses to From the Mormon Hatemail Bag….

  1. Tracy says:

    “Those damn Mormons. They’re ruining my life. Whaaaa!”

    I love it when a Mormon cusses. It makes me giggle.

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  2. azteclady says:

    Freedom means I can stay where I am, and complain about it to my heart’s content. Dontcha love it?

    But hey, all you mormons who have a problem with that concept, *you* can move to some place where complaining is not an option, how ’bout that?

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  3. Renee says:

    Yay for Natalie!

    Attention, Lauren and those of that ilk: I am not too fond of this joint for some good reasons, although I like for others. However, having now moved here and uprooted my family, I have to stay for a while. And, while I have nothing against Mormons (I like a lot of my neighbors and co-workers) I do have a problem with members of ANY religion (including my own), race or creed that seems to look down on or exclude others or try to control others’ behavior. And that happens a lot in Utah, among other places.

    So, since it is still America, I’m going to sit here with my Barack Obama t-shirt on in southern Salt Lake County and whine my butt off. Just like certain Utah residents whine about the heathens who are ruining Zion, whether native or transplanted.

    So there.

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  4. Andrew says:

    I just love living amongst you poor picked on Mormons. Allow me to explain. Out of one side of the Mormons mouth we hear “We welcome and embrace everyone as a creation from god.” and then out of the other side of the Mormon’s mouth we hear “If your not one of us we don’t want or need you.” “O and buy the way, because you do not belong to our group you are less of a human.” Now I grew up in Utah and don’t plan on leaving anytime soon. The thing I find most interesting is that the more hostile the hard core Mormons become the more Mormons move out of Utah.

    Personally I can hardly wait for the day all you poor bastards realize you have been lied to and you realize how much money it cost you to believe in a lie.

    The thing I do not get though is how come Mormons think speaking out of both sides of their mouth serves them.

    And as far as the famed Utah slogan “If you do not like here leave!’ is concerned as I recall the Mormons had to give up plural wives to gain state hood.

    As far as people being angry at Mormons it all really boils down to what bigots you Mormons really are and how that particular behavior runs the exact 180 degrees of what the Mormons tell everyone your taught.

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  5. Lauren says:

    Fellow Trappees,

    My hot-headedness, which I apologize for, was inappropriate. Like I said, I am not a patient person- it’s definitely a flaw, I know.

    I appreciate the attention, thank you kindly. I must have been watching something other than The Simpsons that day. In fact, I think I was watching “The Kid” with my kids- hence the Whambulance reference. My questions still stand unanswered.

    It seems that there is so much sarcasm and disdain here. It’s difficult to tell whether the issues are with the people who practice the religion or the theology itself. I am not a moron, I am also not a mindreader. I could do research all day but it still wouldn’t tell me what your actual questions and concerns are (minus the sarcasm). That is why I asked. I don’t profess to know it all, and I may not even know anything about the topics that are of concern here. Does that invalidate my curiosity? How do I know what to research if you don’t tell me what bothers you? I would just like you to say it to me straight. To reference another movie, I can handle the truth.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Your friend,
    Lauren

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  6. Natalie says:

    Hey Friend Lauren,

    Thanks for weighing in. But truly, if you go back and read the archives, you will see that my TRUE issue with Mormonism lies in the theology. From there, it becomes a case by case basis. Some Mormons are complete idiots, and others are really nice, caring people. Sorta like everybody else.

    And remember, this is not a host of people. This is a blog, or in other words, my Web log. It’s a journal or my musings of life living as an Ain’t in the land of Saints. Those who comment, or the Trappees, are laden with the burden only of their own comments, and can’t be judged by what I say or do.

    Now, as to my problems with the LDS Church, how about you go back and read the archives and then come back with questions? Because I’m getting tired of repeating myself. If you can handle the truth, go read it, and then let’s chat…. And have us some POSTUM. Er, or decaf tea. I hate Postum.

    Your host,
    Natalie

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  7. Renee says:

    Natalie makes a good point, it’s her site and she is patient enough to let us play with her, which I appreciate.

    From my point of view, I’ve got a problem with the theology of the church. However, I’ve got problems with the theology of LOTS of religions, including, on a few points, my own. So I don’t look at that as a sticking point in my relationship with Mormons or my problem with Utah (governmentally, mostly). I guess an example of my problem is that I have a neighbor (for instance) who won’t speak to my family, but would up until the second he found out I wasn’t LDS, whereas I could care LESS what religion he is, so long as he is a honest, law-abiding citizen who cuts his lawn and doesn’t let his dog howl all night. In his case one out of three is bad – the lawn and dog are true issues. And I’m sure he loves the fact I have to drive 10 miles to buy wine. That could be true in Utah, anywhere in a dry county with a die-hard Baptist, or in Abu Dhabi with an intolerant Muslim. The problem is universal.

    I like a lot of Mormons, including one of my co-workers who is in his mid-30s, has 7 kids, who are home-schooled by his apparently sainted wife, yet laughs when I refer to drinking beer and loves hard rock music, as I do. There’s lots of great people here. I may not understand them, or them me, but we can get along. It’s the intolerance that bugs me, not the differences.

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  8. Tracy says:

    Lauren, before I started commenting, I read Natalie’s blog. I read her issues with the religion. She lays it out in black and white if you are willing to take the time to read her archives.

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  9. Cele says:

    As a former teacher, how in the world did you get throuh Fred’s, er excuse me… freds comments to find content?

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  10. JJChip says:

    I just discovered your blog and I’m having lots of fun reading it. I was raised in a large Mormon family, but one by one my siblings and parents have all had an experience that led us away from “the one true church.” I’ve recently submitted my resignation letter to the LDS Church and am anxiously awaiting the response letter that will let me know I have been officially removed from their records.

    I just have one thing to say about Natalie. If she thinks that non-Mormons are a bunch of whiners and should move away from Utah, then I want to know why she’s reading your blog when she’s such a faithful Mormon? Your blog might be considered a “faith stealer” in the eyes of the church. She should turn her attention scriptures and Relief Society.

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  11. CW says:

    Hahaha, the google ads here are hilarious. Discount g’s and lds dating, XD

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  12. Brittney says:

    I’m sorry that you have had such a poor experience with the LDS religion. i have been LDS my whole life and i have seen my fair share of very judgmental Mormons, which is ironic because our religion specifically teaches us not to judge. the problem with church is when someone offends someone they decide to hate that church.. when its not necessarily the church but rather some of the members in it. trust me i have a hard time with some of the high and mighty members. but when it comes down to it you have to judge a religion based on its doctrine, not the people in it. the values and morals the church tries to instill in its members are great ones. no one is perfect, even LDS members.. as for the person that said they cant wait for us to find out that it is a lie and we paid so much money for a lie, if you look at it the right way, we are contributing to charity. how is that money to pay for a lie? anytime you ever see people in trouble do you hear about the LDS church helping, they are always contributing to charities, national disasters(ie hurricane katrina, gustav etc.) you have to admit that they help people alot. a portion of our money goes to help homeless people and also people how have lost their jobs and have families to provide for. In other religions the pastor or minister or leader of the church are paid, it is their full time job to do this. LDS Bishops are not paid they have full time jobs on top of doing this. no one in the church is paid for what they do. they do it because they believe in gospel of this church and want to help in any way that they can. this church teaches from an early age to serve others. i know there are people in this religion that make you want to vomit because they think they are better than you, i hate that. i’m not trying to pass judgment on any of you, i just want you to see some of the good things this church does for you.

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  13. azteclady says:

    Brittney, perhaps you should read more around the blog before going of on a tangent.

    Jest sayin’

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  14. Renee says:

    At least Brittney is a tolerant member. Thanks Brittney, keep on keepin’ on.

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  15. K*tty says:

    Brittney said: no one in the church is paid for what they do. they do it because they believe in gospel of this church and want to help in any way that they can.

    As a member for over thirty years, I also believed what you wrote. Imagine my surprise when I found out that the general authorities are paid, not only a salary, a luxurious place to live and expenditures of first class travel. And the service that you tout has only came about recently compared to other churches. LDS were branded as only helping their own. This was one of many moves to improve the church in the eyes of the public, thus incurring the added expense of PR men and women who must work to make the church much more palatable. Don’t get me wrong, Mormons are darling people, many are my family and friends. But that does not change the fact that there is some pretty scary history and embarrassing deeds and false doctrine taught by the early prophets. I can’t abide with it, but I have no problem with you, if you can.

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  16. azteclady says:

    Renee, I don’t know whether Brittney is or not tolerant. What I do see is that she’s arguing that Natalie has issues with some mormons instead of with the doctrine.

    That is why I said she should read more of the blog.

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  17. Renee says:

    Oh, I didn’t disagree with your point, azteclady. I was just glad to see some non hate-spewing stuff. That part was nice.

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  18. Natalie says:

    My longtime Christian friends recently changed from religion to a different organization. They are now Mormon. Being raised a Baptist, I had to do some research on this. In the meantime, the Mormons were hard at work trying to call us, send us stuff and ultimately came to our home. I was prepared. I have never been so convicted about anything more in my life. When the subject of Salvation came up, I explained my Christian salvation that is right there in the new testament. It’s a very simple plan. Apparently, the Mormon plan is similar, with a lot more conditions. I will stick to the truth in the Bible. I have no desire to listen to the message of the Mormons. I am really outraged that my very intelligent friends have followed this false religion. I can only pray for them.

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  19. Mke Packard says:

    it is funny to watch mormons make fools of themselves and then procede to shoot themselves in the foot for their defense.

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