The Great Spam Monster Part II

Yesterday, Spam Karma deleted over 70,000 spam comments from Trapped by the Mormons. That’s a whole lotta spam folks, which, I would hope, would make you understand why I have to have such a strong spam filter. Unfortunately, sometimes REAL comments get caught in that net, and once SK identifies a comment as spam, they go back and remove ALL comments from the poster. This has happened to our friend Shining, whose comments have all disappeared.

If you find this happens to you, please email me privately, and I will attempt to recover your comments. If I don’t see the email within a day, the comments are gone for good, and there is little I can do. Another thing you can do is post using a different email address, and see if that works.

Unless you are crazy cuckoo and are threatening acts of violence, we really want to hear your viewpoint.



About Natalie R. Collins

Natalie has more than 30 years writing, editing, proofreading and design experience. She has written 20 books (and counting), has worked for the Sundance Film Festival, and as an investigative journalist, editor, and proofreader. She embraces her gypsy-heart and is following her new free-thinking journey through life. Follow her as she starts over and learns a bunch of life's lessons--some the hard way.
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13 Responses to The Great Spam Monster Part II

  1. Tracy says:

    Wow! I thought I got a lot of email spam.


  2. Natalie says:

    Hey Tracy, when I go in and look at the spam totals I am ASTOUNDED. It really shocks me.


  3. Caryn says:

    I knew I was finally on the radar again when I started getting spam. Only three so far, but hey, we can’t all be as cool as you… 😉


  4. kd says:

    The real goal of spam isn’t to promote something. It is to silence people. This is why you see so much garbage and pornographic spam.

    Sadly, the spam counts I receive on my site dwarfs yours. I pay a great deal of attention to web sites in the local community. Spam has silenced a very large number of voices. It is ever so sad.

    BTW, spam companies surf for inactive blogs. They hit them especially hard. Anyone who has a blog that they are not actively monitoring needs to turn off the comments, or they will have a big mess to clean up.


  5. Shining says:

    I, perhaps for the first time, am a victim. A victim of Spam.

    Kudos to Natalie for rescuing me from Spam Guard Hell. I was at the point of no return, but now I have seen the light and am saved. To prove that no good deed goes unpunished, I will continue to post.

    I appreciate your attention to my earlier (now extinct) comments. But to clarify–I’m not upset that you disagree that LDS have the ONLY TRUE THING. LDS are still a vast minority, which by definition means that most people object to that claim. My question, which still stands, is why does someone’s claim to have the ONLY TRUE THING upset you so much? As I mentioned before, until recently it was a broad sweeping claim made by nearly all churches. Many churches, much larger than LDS, still make the claim, albeit with less gusto.

    I agree with your earlier point–stick to the doctrine; someone’s fervency shouldn’t be an arrow in either position’s quiver. Nor, however, should religion devolve to scientific proofs. God, it seems to me, is pretty much a non-starter for logical proofs. Can we settle on ‘informed faith’? Would informed faith by the LDS make your heart content? Or do you dismiss out of hand anyone who doesn’t interpret the known historical facts the way you believe they must be understood?

    I still think an animal charity would bring more joy to the world.


  6. Natalie says:

    Welcome back from spam hell Shining. One thing that I have noticed is many Mormons assume I am angry, or as you state, that I am upset. I’m not.

    See, the thing is, I am a writer. And thus, I write. It so happens that this blog is set about my life as an Ain’t in the land of Saints. Directness does not mean I am upset. What it does mean is that I learned early on that if I did not state my beliefs plain, and true and direct, then I was attacked even more. It was as though some Mormons sensed weakness, and thought they could shut me up by harassing me.

    I get that less now that I am more direct. But please, do not mistake that as upset. I do not care for a lot that goes on here in Utah, BtZC, but it also doesn’t really keep me up nights. Mormons blog their viewpoint ALL the time. All I am doing is blogging mine. What is the difference? If you shut me up, then you must also shut up all the PRO Mormon bloggers.

    See, your problem with me, Shining, is that you don’t like my viewpoint. And that’s okay. It’s your right. But please put it into perspective. Your rights and mine are the same.


  7. A lot of spam. Mymind just can’t get around the thought of 70,000 pieces of junk mail.


  8. Shining says:


    All the more reason for you to empathize with the crazy LDS. You fancy yourself a writer, so you write. They fancy themselves preachers, so they preach. You write as an Ain’t in the land of Saints. The vast majority of LDS preach as Saints in the land of Ain’ts. Apparently, neither of you can help it.

    As far as your viewpoint, I suppose I do disagree with it. But in truth, I hadn’t thought about that until now. I didn’t post because I disagree with you. I posted to figure out why the ONE TRUE THING bothered you. There is a lot of doctrine or history you seem to disagree with, but none of them warranted the ALL CAPS except ONE TRUE THING. If it doesn’t bother you, great! Life becomes long and hard when others’ thoughts imprison you. Maybe letting go of ONE TRUE THING is the key to escaping the Mormon Trap (new blog, Freed by Natalie?)


  9. Alicia says:

    Dunno, Shining … you seem to be (whether deliberately or not) confusing Natalie’s position in this. It doesn’t seem as if you’re really trying to “figure out why the ONE TRUE THING bothered” Natalie. She was born, raised, and still lives in a predominantly Mormon area. That should be answer enough.
    “There is a lot of doctrine or history you seem to disagree with, but none of them warranted the ALL CAPS except ONE TRUE THING.”
    They’re all pieces of the “ONE TRUE THING” though, which is ultimately the biggest problem with it. Other religions advocate the same thing, but Natalie wasn’t raised in those religions. Her parents and siblings aren’t members of those religions. Natalie was born into Mormonism, it’s a big part of who she is even though she has rejected it.
    I wonder if you’d take such an objection to me because I write about the nastiness of the Catholic church, having been born and raised into it. I don’t really talk about other religions because I’ve never been a part of them.
    Basically this is a “what you write makes me feel uncomfortable therefore you’re just an overreacting meanie who should put up and shut up” phrased more eloquently than what generally shows up here.


  10. Natalie says:

    Very well put, Alicia, and very true. Shining is NICER about it than some, but the sentiment is the same.


  11. Shining says:

    I’m not trying to communicate a “don’t write anything that makes me feel uncomfortable” message. I retract anything I have written that may have inadvertently communicated that.

    I think I am trying to communicate the following: 1. in my opinion Natalie’s writing talents have a higher and more productive use; 2. ONE TRUE THING is not a legitimate criticism of the LDS or any other religious group; 3. whether “Trapped by Mormons” refers to geography or state of mind, it seems a bit misleading in this age of simple relocation (Islamadora or elsewhere) and psychoanalysis; and 4. incorporating LDS and BtZC issues in Natalie’s books is not nor should be off-limits, but incorporation of knowingly sacred, deliberately mean-spirited or intentionally misleading aspects of someone’s culture and/or faith (here LDS), cheapens any work.


  12. Alicia says:

    Wow … just wow.
    1) Well your opinion is just that, I guess you and Natalie (and the rest of us) disagree on whether she’s using her writing productively or not (what would be productive in your idea? Writing endlessly about how wonderful the Mormon religion is and how there is absolutely nothing wrong with it?)
    2) Yes it is when they’re saying that basically everybody else is damned. Oh they try to hide it by saying you’ll just be relegated to the nosebleed seats in heaven, but the average Mormon I guess either has never been told that or they just refuse to believe it (personally I think it’s the former, otherwise my friend would not have been sincerely concerned to the point of tears for her boyfriend’s salvation/afterlife – now a new member of the Church). If that isn’t one, then how else would you define a ‘legitimate complaint’? (If it’s the one true thing then logically it follows that everything else is false, therefore everyone else is screwed over)
    3.) It was a movie. The name is a J O K E. I understand, doing any sort of background on this blog is hard. I mean it’s right there on the main page. Too much work, I know to move the mouse aaaalllll the way over there.
    4. Now I’m wondering if you’ve ever even read the books. The only strain of Mormonism that comes off bad in her writings is the crazy type that broke away from mainstream Mormonism. When mainstream Mormons do show up, they’re portrayed realistically. I’ve never found out any major super-secret Mormon thing from reading her books so I’ve never understood just why most make that claim.

    – Sorry if I come off as ‘not nice’, it just gets a little tiring having to repeat the same thing every time someone new shows up.


  13. Natalie says:

    Shining is, as Alicia points out, merely saying in a roundabout way what every other critic has said. Therefore, I don’t feel the need to address it. I also don’t feel the need to start an animal charity. This is my experience, and I’m blogging it.


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