Guest Blogger Arza Evans–Brigham Young and Warren Jeffs Have Much in Common

(Natalie’s Note: This is a guest post from Arza Evans, author of The Keystone of Mormonism.)

Why do most of the people in Utah honor and revere Brigham Young and condemn Warren Jeffs? They both “reassigned” women and children from one man to another man who was more loyal to church leaders. They both forced young girls to marry men old enough to be their grandfathers. On April 7, 1861 Brigham Young said, “I am now almost daily sealing young girls to men of age and experience.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 9, p.37.)

What young girl will marry an old man as his forth or fifth wife unless she is told by church leaders and her own brainwashed parents that it is God’s will and that she will be sent to hell if she refuses? And once she has children, she is trapped. In order to leave, she would have to admit that her children are not legitimate and that she has been living in adultery.Also, she would probably lose her children, her family, and her friends. What woman could stand up to that much pressure? This is truly a scheme hatched in hell by Joseph Smith.

I condemn Warren Jeffs, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and anyone else who uses deception, force and fear to control the lives of their powerless followers.

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Natalie has more than 30 years writing, editing, proofreading and design experience. She has written 20 books (and counting), has worked for the Sundance Film Festival, and as an investigative journalist, editor, and proofreader. She embraces her gypsy-heart and is following her new free-thinking journey through life. Follow her as she starts over and learns a bunch of life's lessons--some the hard way.
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21 Responses to Guest Blogger Arza Evans–Brigham Young and Warren Jeffs Have Much in Common

  1. Cele says:

    I always thought the movie Child Bride of Short Creek told the tale all too well.

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  2. Tania says:

    “and anyone else who uses deception, force and fear to control the lives of their powerless followers.”

    You just described the President of the United States. He also uses force, and fear to try to control our powerless lives.

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  3. Kris says:

    Hehe…great point Tania!

    Interesting post.

    K.

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  4. desi says:

    Natalie,
    Just a thought. Do you really believe he will do any serious time for this? Seeing how most of the police officials are owned by the church. On one of the news shows, they intervieved a woman who helps other women escape from these situations, and she is afraid it will make that much more a martyr of him. Do you agree with this or have other ideas

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  5. Natalie says:

    Well, Tom Green is doing some serious time, and with the whole world watching, YES, I think it’s possible he will be doing some time. But I still think a horrible event, AKA Waco, could be in our future. Watch out.

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  6. azteclady says:

    I think that Jeffs will do time, but that his lieutenants will ‘sell’ the whole think to his flock as martyrdom…

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  7. Jennifer says:

    I sincerely hope that Jeffs does serious time, and the we take his crimes seriously. For too long, we have let this kind of thing be catagorized as wacky instead of trafficing in human lives, specifically women.

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  8. Bob says:

    Well Tania I am not a Bush fan in fact I find him to be almost an idiot ruled by his ego. Which is amazing that he has one since he dodged the one war in which he was able to serve. But I do believe it is quite a stretch to compare him to a man who was using faith of his followers to let their kids be married off to old men. We can agree however Bush is not going to go down a a great president. It has almost made me wish Clinton was still around, and I was from Arkansas during his reign.

    ol bob

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  9. kd says:

    I think Jeffs will get a long sentence. The really big church wants the embarrassing Mr. Jeffs out of the public spotlight. The LDS Church is very good at putting people they find embarrassing in jail for long sentences. Jeffs might own a sherriff or two, the big church owns a state legislature and court system.

    That said. I disagree with Tania that George Bush is like Warren Jeffs. The political struggle of Democratics against the Republicans is not the same thing as the problems faced by the women and children in polygamist clans. If it were, then the whole premise of a two party democracy is flawed. Quite frankly, if the Democrats had a candidate other than Kerry in 2004, they would have won. Neither the Democratic or Republic party is unempowered.

    Saying that George Bush is just like Jeffs hits me as nothing more than a political swipe. For that matter, such partisanship seems to undermine what Natalie is trying to accomplish by showing the abuses of the Mormon patriarchy.

    BTW: I could say that Natalie is just like Jeffs.

    Natalie writes fiction books (deception). The books make me fear the Mormon patriarchy. Natalie is for the forced incarceration of “Weenie Rat Face.” The statement “Natalie Collins uses deception, fear and force” is true.

    Both Natalie Collins and George Bush are trying to stand up against insidious forces of oppression. Bush bumbles quite often. Arguably some of his efforts have done more harm than good. Bush’s aim has been to replace brutal dictators with democracies. I really can’t fault his goals although I question his methods. Sadam Hussein had killed hundreds of thousands of his own people (genocide). Equating Bush to Frank Burns might be okay, but I don’t put either Natalie or Bush in the Jeffs category.

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  10. Cele says:

    Ha ha Frank Burns…too funny and appripo

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  11. Natalie says:

    “Natalie Collins uses deception, fear and force”

    Muuuwaahhhhaaaaa. Love it. I think I’ll make it my tagline…..

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  12. Tania says:

    Sorry if anyone thought I was comparing Bush to Jeffs. I just made the simple point that our President does try to put the fear in Americans so that he can get his agenda across. I do believe that Bush believes that his point of view if the ‘true’ point of view. When ever you are so extreme in your beliefs that you are not able to see the other side then you are wrong. Bush, Mormons and Jeffs. They believe thier truth is the only truth and that is the similarity and that is the problem.

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  13. Fabian von Hanow says:

    Hi, dear friends on the bloggg!
    Let’s stop this Mormo-bashing! Let us not fall into the same trap that we wish the young or otherwise women to fall into. Remember that it is easier to be critical than to be correct!
    The practice of polyginy has deep roots in Utah. Their state laws on marriage reflect this. Girls of 14 may marry. Divorced girls of say 15 may marry without parental consent. The fact is that girls mature earlier than men and in rural societies you have to marry them young if you want to keep them on the farm. Reminds me of the old song: “How you goin’ to keep them down on the farm, after they’veseen Paris…”
    Before we blame the LDS-ers, let us look at all the other who have girlfriends on the side, regardless of marital state or position in society.
    How many Congressmen have dumped their wives and married their girlfriends.
    It seem to me tha harem-building is a long and well-established practice in society.
    By all this, I do not wish to imply that I condone any type of illegal activity or “white” slavery practice that anyone may have engaged in where underage, or just young girls were forced agains their free will into some sort of an illegal marriage, or pseudo-marriage.
    I anlu want to declare that we should look at ourselves before we cast the first stone at the Mormons!
    Fabian

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  14. Chrystina says:

    I think it is interesting the polygomy is being linked with the Mormons. Green and Jeffs are not members of the Mormon church. They were ex-communicated along with all of their other followers and now make their own church which allow polygomy. I know lots of Mormons (close friends and even family), I live in Mormon-ville and not even ONE has more then one wife or was married underage. In fact, if you look a little more into the subject on the LDS website you will find that polygomy is not practiced or encouraged and is considered a sin. If you do this, you will be ex-communicated.

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  15. Barry says:

    Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did not use force or fear to get young girls to marry older men. I guess you could make a good arguement for deception. All of those men and women that entered into polygamy did so after being told to get their own answer from God. If they really didn’t want to they didn’t have to, and they were still considered members in good standing. It’s too bad that things get to be so twisted and taken out of context over the years. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true. If you really want to find out for yourselves all you have to do is ask God. But you need to be sincere.

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  16. Jimmie Robbins says:

    Hi,

    At first I was angry that one man had to pay for the sins of Utah. After careful consideration I see now that the trial of Warren Jeffs is a blessing.

    The foundations of Utah have been indicted, tried and found guilty. At stake in this was the very top. They have been tired and found to be guilty. Warren Jeffs was from the old school. He himself was a victim of this. He was born into it.

    Joseph Smith was not born into it and neither was Brigham Young or Heber Kimball. These men have been tried and found guilty. They were found guilty as they lay dead.

    Warren Jeffs taught as they did. Let us not fool ourselves, 14 year old girls have been given in marriage from the foundations of Utah. To place Warren Jeffs on Trial is to place these on trial. One and the same.

    The Mormon church has cleaned its act up in an attempt to become an Angel of Light. They present themselves as the author of family values. Well as pretty as it may seem it is as far from Jesus Christ as the East is from the West.

    God does not honor one’s behavior. He has spent time showing those with the ability to understand that they could not measure up. They never had a chance to. It was a lie that man could be like God by understanding what good and evil was. They were taught by Him what it was in order to bring them to the end of any effort to do so. When one learns what is required they cry out for mercy.

    That mercy has been offered to the one who completely throws himself into the arms of Jesus, the Son of the offended God. Actual deeds of Sin is a result of an attempt to go our own way. That way can be an attempt to measure up to the standards of God. It can be an honest attempt. That attempt separates us from God.

    To the one who will completely throw themself upon the mercy of God through His Son the gift of eternal life will be extemded. He quits all his efforts and is born again. The results of that will cause a new heart to come into the life of that person. There will be a new center of Affection, a new will will be part of the gift. The Fruit of the Spirit will begin to be produced in that life. It does not completely take over but given time that old man will not control that life.

    I see nothing but the desires of the old man being fulfilled in the teaching of the leaders of the LDS Church. The whole thing is based on a fairy tale of the highest level of deciet. Many in the days of Joseph Smith taught that the Indians were the Lost House of Israel. Many wrote books about that. Smith compiled all of that together and came up with something that is hard for a protected mind to believe. The fruit of his teaching reveals itself to be the lie that it is. That lie started a long time ago, man can be like God by his own efforts.

    The only man that can live the life controlled by the Fruit of the Spirit is the man who is given the Spirit by God as a gift for that surrender, the leaning of his entire being on the salvation of Jesus Christ with no promise from that man that by his own effort he will act better. Man has no hope to act better by his own effort. It will not stand the test when pressure is applied. Asking God if the Church of Jesus Christ is true will result in some form of indigestion that will cause the one to think that God has spoken no matter how sincere.

    The ones who asked Jesus if they hadn’t done this or that in His mane were sincere but He told them to depart from Him

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  17. Do I have ta says:

    I live in SLC and have come over the years to despise the church. I have been told by Ulds members “if you don’t like it leave”. I must point out I was born in SL and have every right to stay and attempt to change Utah.

    I think it is funny (strange) that people wear BYU shirts from a college named after “the world’s MOST FAMOUS POLYGAMOUS”

    I wanted to share this site with “Trapped by the Mormons”. It is obviously run by Ulds “Utah LDS church” but it seems to be trying to mask this. I find it hilarious because the only differences they really point to is when their leaders practiced polygamy it was o.k. because of their “authority”.
    Their arrogance knows no bounds.

    Please Check out this site and pass it on. CHECK ENTRY 2.
    http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/NEWFILES/FLDSvsLDS.htm

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  18. While I agree with you about most you said about the LDS church I’m just going to tell ya you’re wrong about Joseph Smith.

    If you’ll go to my blog site( currently under construction) you will find some interesting material that protestants and Salt Lake Mormon higherarchery both will deny or lie about!

    James Brian Mashall
    Priest
    Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

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  19. Mike says:

    This is the quote from above:

    “I condemn Warren Jeffs, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and anyone else who uses deception, force and fear to control the lives of their powerless followers.”

    Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did NOT use deception, force or fear. The Saints follow them because they are true prophets of God.

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  20. birdman says:

    Mike,
    Interesting view…I’m sure the members of the FLDS feel the same way about Warren Jeffs…and as Arza Evans pointed out; why would you revere Brigham Young and condemn Warren Jeffs when they are guilty of the same practices? And Jo Smith started the entire thing…considered the original prophet of both churches…you can’t win this arguement with reason, the only reason plural marriage was ever practiced by either religion was for the benefit of the men, to fulfill their sexual desires and/or for financial gain.

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